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Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA22 - Sect 201 - Thu

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 September 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): WZ2372 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by WZ2372 (talk) 07:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request addition of reference

I am requesting that the following reference should be considered for inclusion in the article on sexual orientation: Hayman, John; Fortune, Denys W. (2023-12-30). "Sexual Orientation in Twins: Evidence That Human Sexual Identity May Be Determined Five Days Following Fertilization". Cureus. 15 (12): e51346. doi:10.7759/cureus.51346. PMID 38161549.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

with thanks

John Hayman aka 'Narraburra'

Narraburra (talk) 00:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi John. I won't deny that your request appears slightly self-interested. Is there a particular sentence in the article or change that citing your paper would help support? –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 02:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Narraburra, I have seen your paper. The problem is the paper actually gets an important finding wrong. It states "MZ twins have been found to have a concordance of 65.8%". But per the Bailey et al. 2016 review the twin concordance is actually 24% (see page 76). In fact, the paper you cite for the 65.8% figure actually found a concordance of 31.6%.

An interesting side note, Rice et al. the concordance of ~25% is the same concordance seen in cryptorchidism, another hormonally mediated trait.

Anyway, for a paper on this topic to be included on Wikipedia, it should probably get the twin concordance right. Zenomonoz (talk) 00:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article issues and classification

The article is in the following categories:

Articles with specifically marked weasel-worded phrases from May 2019,
Wikipedia articles needing clarification from October 2020
Articles that may contain original research from August 2021, and
Wikipedia articles needing page number citations from August 2021

These issues conflict with the B-class criteria #1 and #4. -- Otr500 (talk) 23:42, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

I added the following statement which was initially accepted then deleted.

"Forcing a person to do so is considered discriminatory and violates their rights to express their sexual orientation freely." UK Equalities Act (2010), Part 2:Chapter 1.4.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents

The exact wording was ai generated.

My second edit was rejected because it is location specific, so I added it to the legal section. I reverted to the original wording because there is no age of authority mentioned in the legislation, my mistake.

Please revert and or improve if you can.

It could help expand the legal section in an appropriate direction, including ethics, and is also relevant to the following paragraph regarding sexuality forming permanently at an early age.

The original wording was initially accepted after being reviewed. I would support the original decision.

I would encourage someone to open a formal discussion to avoid an edit war. 86.167.51.116 (talk) 17:44, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I expect it may be more at home in an article like LGBT rights by country or territory. This is a really high level article with a lot of more specific articles beneath it. Adding the UK but not any other country feels out of place. Adding every country would get so long that we would have to make a new article about it. Thus LGBT rights by country or territory. GMG ^talk 18:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The text you added was "In the United Kingdom Forcing a person to change sexuality is considered discriminatory and violates their rights to express their sexual orientation freely." But part 2 chapter 1.4 of the Act says only "The following characteristics are protected characteristics—" and lists 9 characteristics, including gender reassignment and sexual orientation. I see nothing there about "forcing a person to change sexuality", whatever that might mean.

Also, please do not use AI to write content for Wikipedia; see WP:LLM. CodeTalker (talk) 18:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I based my wording on an ai generated answer. Forcing is the appropriate word in respect of discriminatory behaviour towards a minority, as opposed to acceptance.

I was motivated to research discrimination after the landmark ruling at the Supreme Court in London last week that legally recognises a Woman by her biological gender at birth regardless of any later re-assignment he has had done. That decision has implications for the heterosexual page too. 86.167.51.116 (talk) 18:53, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The accepted version was in the section Efforts to Change Sexual Orientation. I changed it to

Sexual orientation change efforts are methods that aim to change sexual orientation. Forcing a person to do so is considered discriminatory and violates their rights to express their sexual orientation freely. Methods may include behavioral techniques, ...

I support the above original decision. 86.167.51.116 (talk) 19:07, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please use the format "Change X to Y". Include citations in your request. See WP:EDITXY.

Your added content with "forced" is not specifically in the source and appears to be wp:Synthesis which is not accepted on Wikipedia.

BTW: Your triple indent would indicate you are replying or talking to yourself. See help:talk pages. I adjusted the indents. Thank you Adakiko (talk) 22:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would love to see a sentence or two about the world's overall legal situation as regards conversion therapy, probably in the "Efforts to change sexual orientation" section. It wouldn't be appropriate to just mention one country's legal situation, and we should leave the legal analysis to secondary sources, which we can then summarize. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:12, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]